Sunday, December 11, 2011

[sehat] Digest Number 16679

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Messages In This Digest (25 Messages)

1.1.
Re: Cancer paru otak dan tulang From: polarlander74@yahoo.co.id
1.2.
Re: Cancer paru otak dan tulang From: risma
1.3.
Re: Cancer paru otak dan tulang From: Amanda Kania P
1.4.
Re: Cancer paru otak dan tulang From: Regia D
2a.
Re: (Urgent) need info Ahli saraf From: yana
2b.
Re: (Urgent) need info Ahli saraf From: rustadewi
3.
A genetic cause for iron deficiency From: Sativa Huang
4.
Routine iron fortification of infant formula linked to poor developm From: Sativa Huang
5a.
Re: (Tanya) metode glen domand From: f4_r14_m451@yahoo.com
5b.
Re: (Tanya) metode glen domand From: Inta
6.
Talkshow & Kampanye ASI 23 Dec, "ASI, HEALING MOTHER EARTH" From: Pravita
7a.
Re: berat badan anak ga naik, susah makan and tidak mau susu formula From: mamameyva@gmail.com
8a.
Re: AB setelah caesar From: Qiqie Mama Nayla
8b.
Re: AB setelah caesar From: purnamawati.spak@cbn.net.id
8c.
Re: AB setelah caesar From: Qiqie Mama Nayla
9a.
Re: [news] Gaya Hidup dan Kanker => LEBIH dari 40% kanker disebabkan From: aina
9b.
Re: [news] Gaya Hidup dan Kanker => LEBIH dari 40% kanker disebabkan From: mamameyva@gmail.com
10.
Could too much iron be a bad thing for babies? From: Sativa Huang
11.
Could Iron-Fortified Formula Be Bad for Development? From: Sativa Huang
12a.
Re: Buku dr. Wati From: isneini@gmail.com
12b.
Re: Buku dr. Wati From: Siska
13a.
(sehat) (ASK) Bingung atas hasil Second Opinion Bronkhopneumonia From: dini_na
13b.
Re: (sehat) (ASK) Bingung atas hasil Second Opinion Bronkhopneumonia From: F.B.Monika
14a.
Hello From: Vini Hidayat
14b.
Re: Hello From: Mutiara Santoso

Messages

1.1.

Re: Cancer paru otak dan tulang

Posted by: "polarlander74@yahoo.co.id" polarlander74@yahoo.co.id   polarlander74

Sat Dec 10, 2011 6:53 am (PST)



Mbak Risma,
Mau info aja. kalau tahapannya perawatan paliatif, bisa usul ke tante menggunakan jasa homecare hospice. Perawatan paliatif dgn tenaga medis yg datang ke rumah. Kantor saya pernah menghubungi unit paliatif darmais utk salah satu rekan yg brca. Sayang baru berjalan satu hari, rekan kerja saya sudah dipanggil Allah SWT. Mohon maaf gak bisa bantu banyak kecuali doa.
Bests
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1.2.

Re: Cancer paru otak dan tulang

Posted by: "risma" bunda_fazil@yahoo.com   bunda_fazil

Sat Dec 10, 2011 7:12 am (PST)




Mba fitri,
Info yg bguna bgt. Tnx a lot.

Mba pam,
Aamiin... Gak berharap banyak...hanya kepengen om dapet kesempatan spt harapan tante.

Mba cherie,
Suasana religius spt itu jg yg dimauin bbrapa keluarga. Tp yg spt itu gak mungkin dilakukan di icu. Masuk ke ruangan aja dibatasi jumlah orang dan waktunya.
Tp smoga ada jalannya...

-risma-

1.3.

Re: Cancer paru otak dan tulang

Posted by: "Amanda Kania P" amandaunique@yahoo.com.au   amandaunique

Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:36 am (PST)



Kudo'akan yang terbaik u om mb Risma ya..
Mb Cut, turut berduka, sediih denger ceritanya. Semoga amal ibadah beliau diterima. Dan mba dan anak2 tabah dan kuat selalu dlm lindungan Allah ya.

Baru bahas masalah ini sm suami. Suami cerita dikit, dulu alm bapaknya, sakit stroke 8 bulan,membaik,terus kena serangan yg kedua dan terus drop, 2 minggu sblm meninggal sdh disuruh pulang dr RS, dlm keadaan lumpuh total. 3,5 jam (jam 12 mlm) sebelum meninggal, tekanan darahnya drop,dan panggil dokter kerumah. Tp dokternya justru bilang, saya gk akan berbuat apa2, krn saya takut ini sudah waktunya beliau untuk berpulang, takut malah menghambat. Tapi kalau jam 3,beliau masih ada, boleh kontak dokter kembali.
Yg bikin saya bertanya2 adalah, apa ada penjelasan logisnyakah?knp tidak dicoba ambil tindakan saat itu juga dibanding menunggu jam 3 kalau masih hidup? Atau ini hanya penyampaian secara halus dr dokter yg memang sudah memperkirakan waktu kematiannya?

Amanda

1.4.

Re: Cancer paru otak dan tulang

Posted by: "Regia D" just.regia@gmail.com   reggie_zain

Sat Dec 10, 2011 4:38 pm (PST)



Mbk Risma,

Turut prihatin ya, semoga Allah memberikan jalan yg terbaik.. Tiga thn lalu ibu mertua saya jg sempat dirawat selama 3 hari di ICU krn penyakit gagal ginjal + sirosis yg dideritanya. Sekedar saran, berhubung kondisi ICU yg tdk memungkinkan untuk keluarga selalu mendampingi, kami memutarkan Al quran digital di ruangannya.. Krn insya Allah kami yakin saat itu pendengaran beliau msh bs mendengar ayat2 suci yg dilantunkan. Pun kami khawatir, bila beliau berpulang tanpa ada yg tau dan tanpa diiringi dgn nama Allah. Hari ke-2 dokter mengatakan mama MBO, dan akhirnya hari ke-3 kami memutuskan untuk melepas semua alat bantu.

Salam,
Regia

2a.

Re: (Urgent) need info Ahli saraf

Posted by: "yana" yantul_imoet@yahoo.com   yantul_imoet

Sat Dec 10, 2011 7:02 am (PST)



Maaf dok mksd sy, dia sperti tdk merasakan sakit apa2 tp tingkat kesadarannya rendah, contoh: ditanya namanya siapa pun responnya agak lama dan suaranya terbata2. Jatoh atau tdknya sy blm jelas yg pasti dia terpeleset. Oya sepupu sy ini perempuan dgn anak 3. Info terakhir dipindahkan ke RS P*ri C*nere dgn ambulance krn rmh sepupu sy di daerah sana.

Dokter endah atau yg lain ada rekomen dokter di sana ? Terutama mslh ortopedi. ‎​ƮƕǎƞƙƴÇ'ǘ doc and all.


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-----Original Message-----
From: "Endah" <endahgunawan@ymail.com>
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Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 14:01:40
To: <sehat@yahoogroups.com>
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Subject: Re: [sehat] (Urgent) need info Ahli saraf

Maaf, saya kok td salah tangkap ya. Jatuhnya terduduk? Sepupunya gak merasa sakit? Gerakan kaki semua baik? Tdk ada keluhan apa2 ?
*duh, saya pikir lumpuh dll*
Kalau tdk ada keluhan apa2, kenapa musti rawat ya? Patah tulang ekor taunya dari mana? Rontgent?
Apakah dr jaga tdk menganjurkan rujuk ke RS yg ada ortopedinya? Atau jangan2 sebenernya gak perlu rawat?

Endah




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2b.

Re: (Urgent) need info Ahli saraf

Posted by: "rustadewi" rustadewi@yahoo.co.id   rustadewi

Sat Dec 10, 2011 5:08 pm (PST)



Bagaimana kabar sepupunya?
Benar dokter Endah,diagnosisnya apa?
BAB/BAK apa terasa/bisa dikontrol?
Apa extremitas bawah (kaki) bisa digerakkan/berasa?
Hasil rontgent bagaimana?
Maaf blum membantu...

Salam,
Ari
ym:rustadewi fb:rustadewi

3.

A genetic cause for iron deficiency

Posted by: "Sativa Huang" sativahuang@gmail.com   sativahuang

Sat Dec 10, 2011 7:07 am (PST)



Genetics of iron deficiency
http://www.scientistlive.com/European-Science-News/Genetics/Genetics_of_iron_deficiency/20210/

A genetic cause for iron deficiency
Rare syndrome may provide general insight into iron deficiency, and
suggests new treatments for iron disorders

The discovery of a gene for a rare form of inherited iron deficiency
may provide clues to iron deficiency in the general population -
particularly iron deficiency that doesn't respond to iron supplements
- and suggests a new treatment approach. The finding was published
on-line by the journal Nature Genetics on April 13.

Iron deficiency is the most common nutritional deficiency and the
leading cause of anaemia in the United States.(1) Most cases are
easily reversed with oral iron supplements, but over the years, Mark
Fleming, MD, DPhil, interim Pathologist-in-Chief at Children's
Hospital Boston, and paediatric haematologist Nancy Andrews, MD, PhD,
formerly of Children's and now Dean of Duke University School of
Medicine, had been referred a number of children with iron deficiency
anaemia who didn't respond to oral supplements, and only poorly to
intravenous iron.

The cause of their condition - termed iron-refractory iron-deficiency
anaemia (IRIDA) -was a mystery. The children all had good diets, and
none had any condition that might interfere with iron absorption or
cause chronic blood loss, the most common causes of iron deficiency.
All had evidence of anaemia from a very early age, and many also had
siblings with iron deficiency anaemia. Seeing reports of several
similarly afflicted families in the medical literature, Fleming and
Andrews were convinced that genetics was a factor.

"After nearly 15 years, we finally had enough families that we could
begin to think about positionally cloning the gene for the disorder,"
says Fleming.

Fleming and Andrews, experts in iron metabolism, and their colleagues
Karin Finberg, MD, PhD, and Matthew Heeney, MD, studied five extended
families with more than one chronically iron-deficient member. They
found a variety of mutations in a gene called TMPRSS6 (the acronym
stands for transmembrane serine protease S6) in all of these families,
as well as several patients without a family history of the disorder.

Although IRIDA is quite rare, the authors believe it might be the
extreme end of a broad continuum of disease, since TMPRSS6 mutations
varied widely in the five families and caused different degrees of
iron deficiency and anaemia.

"Our observations suggest that more common forms of iron deficiency
anaemia may have a genetic component," says Andrews.

All patients in the study apparently had recessive mutations, since
their parents did not have iron deficiency anemia. The investigators
now want to determine whether people with just a single abnormal copy
of TMPRSS6 have subtler alterations in iron absorption that might not
otherwise have come to the attention of a haematologist.

Although the mechanism is still unknown, deficiency of the TMPRSS6
protein causes the body to produce too much hepcidin, a hormone that
inhibits iron absorption by the intestine. Normally, hepcidin is
produced to protect the body against iron overload - but patients with
IRIDA make large amounts of hepcidin even though they are iron
deficient. "People with this disorder make too much hepcidin, putting
the brakes on iron absorption inappropriately," Fleming says.

In addition, patients with TMPRSS6 mutations cannot make new red blood
cells efficiently because the iron needed to make them comes from
macrophages, and hepcidin causes macrophages to hold on to iron. This
explains the patients' poor response to intravenous iron - the iron is
trapped in macrophages and cannot be used for red blood cell
production.

The fact that TMPRSS6 regulates hepcidin may open up new avenues for
therapy, the researchers say. For example, blocking TMPRSS6 may help
patients with iron overload disorders make more hepcidin in order to
limit intestinal iron absorption. Conversely, stimulating TMPRSS6 may
have therapeutic benefit in certain patients with anaemia,
particularly those in which hepcidin is overproduced.

4.

Routine iron fortification of infant formula linked to poor developm

Posted by: "Sativa Huang" sativahuang@gmail.com   sativahuang

Sat Dec 10, 2011 7:19 am (PST)



Routine iron fortification of infant formula linked to poor development
Reference: Archives of Pediatrics & Adolescent Medicine, Nov. 7, 2011,
http://www.scientistlive.com/European-Science-News/Medical/Routine_iron_fortification_of_infant_formula_linked_to_poor_development/25289/

A long-term study examining iron-fortified vs. low-iron infant formula
suggests that infants with high haemoglobin levels who received iron
fortified infant formula have poorer long-term developmental outcomes.

The study was published online ahead of print in the Archives of
Paediatrics & Adolescent Medicine.

The high prevalence of iron deficiency in infancy has led to routine
iron fortification of infant formula and foods in many countries, says
Betsy haemoglobin, MD, a behavioural paediatrician at the University
of Michigan Health System and research professor at the University of
Michigan Center for Human Growth and Development.

These interventions help reduce iron-deficiency anaemia and iron
deficiency without anaemia. However, the optimal amount of iron in
such products, especially infant formula, is debated, she says.

Iron deficiency anaemia affects roughly 25 per cent of the worlds
babies. Some have iron deficiency anaemia, in which a lack of iron
causes problems with haemoglobin - the compound that red blood cells
use to transport oxygen through the bloodstream.

Lozoff has conducted award-winning research on functional development
and iron deficiencies for more than 25 years in India, Costa Rica and
Chile. Iron deficiency is most common single nutrient deficiency.

The latest study provides an update on 835 healthy, full-term infants
living in urban areas around Santiago, Chile. They were randomised in
the trial at six months of age to receive formula with or without
iron.

The 10-year assessment conducted in the U-M study included 473
children and researchers measured IQ, spatial memory, arithmetic
achievement, visual-motor integration, visual perception and motor
functioning.

Compared with the low-iron group, the iron-fortified group scored
lower on every 10-year outcome measured.

Of the seven tests administered at the 10-year follow-up, two (spatial
memory and VMI) showed statistically significant lower scores in the
iron-fortified group compared to the low-iron group, and four (IQ,
visual perception, motor coordination and arithmetic achievement)
showed suggestive trends that did not reach statistical significance.

No statistically significant differences were found in iron status at
10 years, and only one child had iron-deficiency anaemia. Less than 10
percent of infants in the iron-fortified group met criteria for iron
deficiency.

The authors also found that children with the highest haemoglobin
levels at 6 months of age had lower 10-year scores if they had
received the iron-fortified formula, but those with the lowest
six-month haemoglobin levels had higher scores.

In conclusion, this study indicates poorer long-term developmental
outcome in infants with high haemoglobin concentrations who received
formula fortified with iron at levels currently used in the United
States, the authors write. Optimal amounts of iron in infant formula
warrant further study.

In an accompanying editorial, Parul Christian, Dr PH, MSc, of the
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, in Baltimore, writes
that the importance of the study lies in its evaluation of the
long-term developmental outcomes of an early-infancy iron
intervention.

He notes, however, that: Caution is needed in generalizing the results
of the follow-up study by Logoff et al, which stands, as yet, alone in
showing small-sized negative consequences on developmental outcomes
among iron-sufficient children exposed to iron-fortified vs. low-iron
formula during infancy.

Whether iron deficiency in infancy, manifest largely due to deficiency
in utero, can be overcome with supplementation during infancy for
improving central nervous system development and function needs to be
further examined in rigorous studies of short and long duration, he
writes.

Additional authors: Katy M Clark, MA, U-M Center for Growth and Human
Development; Marcela Castillo, PhD, Institute of Nutrition and Food
Technology, University of Chile, JP Alessandri, Chile; Julia B Smith,
EdD, Oakland University, Rochester, Mich.

Reference: Archives of Pediatrics & Adolescent Medicine, Nov. 7, 2011,
doi:10.1001/archpediatrics.2011.203.

5a.

Re: (Tanya) metode glen domand

Posted by: "f4_r14_m451@yahoo.com" f4_r14_m451@yahoo.com   f4_r14_m451

Sat Dec 10, 2011 7:21 am (PST)



Ikutan nimbrung ya....sambil belajar jg...saya sempat tergiur dgn metode tsb, tp stelah dpikir2 tnyt kita bisa juga lakukan pengenalan dengan Cara yg sederhana, tanpa harus mahal. Anak saya, syakieb (2y4m) sudah cukup pandai mengenal benda dsekitarnya karena kita mengajarinya dengan menunjukkan langsung benda tsb...(seperti tomat, baik yg berwarna hijau ataupun jingga, syakib sudah kenal klo itu namanya tomat ..)...Dan saya tidak memaksakan syakib harus bisa ini itu...saya ingin dia berkembang sesuai dengan usianya tanpa harus dpaksakan...jadi, klo menurut saya, metode GD ga terlalu penting kok...kita jg bisa lebih pintar dari metode itu tuk mengajarkan anak kita...tapi smua keputusan ada di tangan Mba...
Maaf jika tidak berkenan...
Karena saya juga lagi belajar,..


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5b.

Re: (Tanya) metode glen domand

Posted by: "Inta" dini.maesarinta@gmail.com

Sat Dec 10, 2011 5:01 pm (PST)



Udah dibantuin sama yang lain yah mba.

Sekarang saya mah cuma mau tanya aja, tujuannya balita mba bisa baca apa yah? Nanti pas masuk SD juga diajarkan loh.

Maaf kalau gak berkenan.

Cheers, Inta
@Intamardwityo
terkirim dari henponkuh

6.

Talkshow & Kampanye ASI 23 Dec, "ASI, HEALING MOTHER EARTH"

Posted by: "Pravita" alyssa.azzahra@gmail.com

Sat Dec 10, 2011 7:40 am (PST)



Moms di Bali,

Hayuuk kita jadikan Propinsi Bali tidak lagi menjadi propinsi kedua
terendah tingkat menyusuinya :(

Plz bantuan tuk fwd ke teman2 terdekatnya yaa :)

Terima Kasih,

Bunda Ashraf
*hanya membantu support dr jkt juga :( *

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7a.

Re: berat badan anak ga naik, susah makan and tidak mau susu formula

Posted by: "mamameyva@gmail.com" mamameyva@gmail.com

Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:20 am (PST)



Dear bu hirde,,
Sharing jg nihh, anak saya jg dulu sempat tidak ideal BBnya. Ini bagai "tamparan" bagi sy krn diluar rumah pekerjaan sy justru sbg tukang naikin berat badan :'( tp dg terapi makanan sehat bergizi seimbang ‎​اَلÙ'Ø­ÙŽÙ…Ù'دُلِلÙ'هِ skrg mjd ideal..

Melihat kasus buah hati ibu :
>Anak saya umur 1 tahun 1 bulan berat badannya 7.8
: kalo boleh tahu anak ibu laki-laki/perempuan?
jika merujuk pd standar z-score WHO, berat badan berdasarkan umur anak ibu termasuk normal dg nilai z-score -1,3 SD
Dimana dikatakan kurang jika <-2SD
Namung memang blm ideal..
Perhitungan kasar utk m'hitung BBideal anak usia >1th = (usiax2)+8

Untuk menaikkan berat badan selayaknya intake harus sesuai kebutuhan +10% dr total keb kalori/hari bu, setelah sy hitung kebutuhan kalori anak ibu sekitar 1200 kal/hari dg kebutuhan zat gizi 30gr protein, 30gr lemak, dan 178 gr KH

>sejak MP ASI memang sudah susah makan
Utk anak susah makan, intervensi diit TKTP harus disesuaikan dg kemampuan anak. Selayaknya porsi kecil dg nilai gizi yg tinggi (padat gizi)
bagaimana agar makanan itu padat gizi? Yaitu dg menambahkan lemak (minyak,santan,mentega) kedalam makanan anak. Jg m'berikan makanan yg terlalu banyak kuah bening krn hanya akan membuat anak cpt kenyang namun sebenarnya nilai yg masuk sedikit..

>Tidak mau sufor..
Sebaiknya tdk ush dipaksakan utk anak minum sufor, krn sufor tdk menjamin peningkatan Berat badan bu,

Mungkin sekilas spt itu bu, jika ingin lbh rinci brp jml yg harus dikonsumsi, jenis menu dsb bisa japri saya ya bu.. Krn klo disini takut kepanjangan :D

Salam
Dina
Mamanya meyva

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8a.

Re: AB setelah caesar

Posted by: "Qiqie Mama Nayla" deswita.nashwa@gmail.com   rizkie3

Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:21 am (PST)



Nah ini yang kelupaan kemarin.. saking konsen ke baby dan masalah
jaundicenya, saya jadi ga tanya2 kemilis tentang obat2an pasca SC..
ternyata klo diinget2 banyak banget.. (padahal pas di RS saya tanya satu2
obatnya apa aja tapi karena ga bisa online saya cuma tanya2 via sms ke
beberapa member milis yang kemudian di forward ke milis itupun tentang
jaundice dan FT).. dari mulai antibiotik infus, antibiotik minum (setelah
lepas infus), obat pereda nyeri, obat kembung (via infus dan minum setelah
lepas infus), obat untuk jamur.. kalo gitu jadi IRUM ya? disangu hanya obat
minum yang belum habis (ga sampai 2 hari di rumah sudah ga minum obat
lagi).. dsognya ini saat saya kontrol sebelumnya hanya meresepkan vitamin 2
jenis (asam folat, etc)

nah saya mau tanya tentang salepnya juga.. setelah lepas jahitan saya
diresepkan salep fuladic, ternyata salep ini termasuk antibiotik (awalnya
saya pikir untuk keloid).. apakah penggunaan salep ini diperlukan? saya
sempat pakai beberapa kali..

salam,
qiqie
*masih berusaha membuat suami mandiri untuk RUM..

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8b.

Re: AB setelah caesar

Posted by: "purnamawati.spak@cbn.net.id" purnamawati.spak@cbn.net.id

Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:34 am (PST)



Dear Qiqie

Hmmm
Sayang ya
Obatnya banyak sekali
Apalagi obat jamur (apa ya? Ketokonazole?)
Kalau ya ... Berat banget obat ini

Salepnya gak usah
Siapa bilabg salep AB aman dari risiko creating superbugs
Apalagi efektivitasnya rendah

Wati
Patient Safety, first

8c.

Re: AB setelah caesar

Posted by: "Qiqie Mama Nayla" deswita.nashwa@gmail.com   rizkie3

Sat Dec 10, 2011 5:42 pm (PST)



iya.. sayang banget bunda.. (hik hik.. *telat nyadar)

sebelum melahirkan yang banyak dipersiapkan materi tentang IMD, ASIX,
jaundice (tetep aja dilapangan butuh penguatan), obat2an selama kehamilan
dan persiapan bagaimana kakaknya nanti saat saya di RS.. malah mis
penanganan ibu setelah melahirkan apalagi yang SC.. seperti cerita saya
sebelumnya (di topik yang lain) walaupun sudah direncanakan SC tapi harus
maju dari jadwal dan tengah malam pula.. pinggul, punggung, paha, perut
sudah nyeri ditambah sesak nafas, sampai RS sudah pakai oksigenpun dada
tetap sakit, sempat demam dan dimasukkin dumin lewat anus.. memang pada
akhirnya harus ada orang lain yang kekeuh RUM (suami misalnya yg
menandatangani surat persetujuan) karena pengalaman saya kemarin saya sudah
tidak konsen dan iya2 saja..

mudah2an jadi pelajaran untuk saya, keluarga saya dan orang lain..

salam,
qiqie
*merasa bersalah terhadap tubuh sendiri

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9a.

Re: [news] Gaya Hidup dan Kanker => LEBIH dari 40% kanker disebabkan

Posted by: "aina" aina.anwar@yahoo.com   aina.anwar

Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:07 am (PST)



Ayo...

Buat yg msh suka nyelipin tuhan 9 senti diantara jari2...please stop.

--
Still working on it mba risma (-Ì©Ì©Ì©-Í¡ Ì—--Ì©Í¡Ì©Ì© )

Gapotek

merci beaucoup
wassalamu'alaikum wr wb,
aina.

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Yup...
Betul pak'e

Smoking....
Aduuuhh...
Ini jg yg jd penyebabnya di om saya

Si perokok dapet sakit...
orang sekitar terutama keluarga...udahlah dapet kebagian sakit jg sbg perokok pasif...babak belur jg ngurusin si sakit mikirin biayanya, tenaga, waktu...
Stres abis ngeliat si sakit kejang2 misalnya

Ayo...
Buat yg msh suka nyelipin tuhan 9 senti diantara jari2...please stop.

-risma-




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9b.

Re: [news] Gaya Hidup dan Kanker => LEBIH dari 40% kanker disebabkan

Posted by: "mamameyva@gmail.com" mamameyva@gmail.com

Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:14 am (PST)



Permisi, just sharing bapak2,ibu2..
Saya suka gemesss bgt dg mslh rokok merokok iniihh
Di wilayah saya, dari seluruh jumlah balita gizi buruk yg ada sekitar 60% org tua perokok :'(
Rumah kos2an, sepetak, punya balita, tega2nya ngerokok didalam rumah
Beli rokok mampu, beli makanan bergizi utk anak terasa berattt
#rasan2 mode on

Salam,
Dina, mamanya meyva
#you are what you eat,,
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10.

Could too much iron be a bad thing for babies?

Posted by: "Sativa Huang" sativahuang@gmail.com   sativahuang

Sat Dec 10, 2011 11:52 am (PST)



Could too much iron be a bad thing for babies?
NEW YORK | Fri Nov 11, 2011 8:56pm EST
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/12/us-iron-babies-idUSTRE7AB02820111112

(Reuters Health) - In a new study from Chile, infants who already had
high levels of hemoglobin proteins in their blood and were fed
iron-fortified formula ended up with lower scores on tests of thinking
and memory than those given low-iron formula.

Researchers wrote in the Archives of Pediatrics & Adolescent Medicine
that most infants didn't show any developmental harm as a result of
fortified formula. And those who started with low levels of
hemoglobin, an iron-rich molecule in red blood cells, did better in
the long run if they got the extra iron.

Through the worse scores in some kids were "totally unexpected," study
author Dr. Betsy Lozoff said, "It's a very small proportion of the
children... I am very cautious about it."

Iron deficiency is recognized as a global public health problem, and
low iron can stunt brainpower in kids.

"We know that iron is essential for brain development. The last thing
I would want is for people not to give their babies iron," Lozoff,
from the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor, told Reuters Health.

KNOW YOUR BABY'S STATUS

Recommendations call for babies in the U.S. to get an iron test during
the first year of life to check for deficiencies.

Based on the new findings, other nutrition experts said that if those
levels are higher than normal, parents using formula might want to
consider one that has some iron, but not too much.

"In general parents think, 'Oh, fortification, that's good,'" said
Chessa Lutter, regional advisor on food and nutrition for the Pan
American Health Organization, part of the World Health Organization,
who wasn't involved in the study.

The WHO recommends breastfeeding exclusively for the first six months
of life, continued for two years or longer. Still, "If I were to give
formula, I would certainly want to know my baby's iron status," Lutter
told Reuters Health.

The findings come from a study originally done in Santiago in 1991
through 1994. Researchers tested babies' hemoglobin levels at age six
months and those who weren't anemic were randomly assigned to get
either low-iron or high-iron formula until they were a year old.

The high-iron formula contained 12.7 milligrams of iron for every
liter of formula -- about the same amount that's in iron-fortified
formula sold in the U.S. (Formula in Europe typically contains only
about half that much iron.)

Ten years later, Lozoff and her colleagues brought 473 of the original
835 infants back for a suite of thinking, coordination and memory
tests.

On average, kids who were given extra iron as babies had slightly
lower scores on the tests, including ones measuring hand-eye
coordination and spatial reasoning.

When the researchers divided kids up into those that had high and low
hemoglobin levels before getting the formula, they found that the
extra iron gave a slight boost to kids with initially low levels --
but was linked to lower scores in kids who started with plenty of
hemoglobin.

For example, among babies who started with high hemoglobin levels,
average IQ at age 10 was 83 in those who were given the high-iron
formula, compared to 95 in those who got the less-fortified formula.

BASED ON A SMALL SAMPLE SIZE

The researchers cautioned that the calculation was based on a small
number of kids -- only 11 to 13 in each formula group -- and most of
the babies they studied started with normal or low hemoglobin.

It's also possible that other aspects of health unrelated to iron,
like moms' smoking or kids' medical conditions, were to blame for both
the extra-high hemoglobin levels and the lower test scores in some
kids.

For example, low oxygen in the bloodstream while babies are in the
womb could be toxic to the brain and cause high hemoglobin levels at
the same time, said Dr. Michael Georgieff, a child development
researcher at the University of Minnesota in Minneapolis who has
collaborated with the authors but wasn't involved in this study.

"Maybe there is something about these kids that gave them this high
hemoglobin to start with," he told Reuters Health. The other
explanation, Georgieff said, is "there's something toxic about getting
that much iron in your diet."

WHAT SHOULD PARENTS DO?

Georgieff said that because the study was small, and the 10-year test
scores weren't its original focus, the findings need to be confirmed
with future research before any conclusions can be made about the
possible harms of getting too much iron.

For now, parents can talk with their pediatrician about their own
infant's iron status and, if they're no longer exclusively
breastfeeding, find out what the best type of formula would be,
Georgieff added.

"If you have an abnormally high hemoglobin (level), you probably don't
want to be on a high-iron formula," he said. Still, most kids who have
normal levels will be fine getting iron-fortified formula, he
emphasized.

Lozoff, on the other hand, said that "it's just too premature" for
parents to be worried about their babies getting too much iron based
on her findings.

"Such an important thing as what you feed your baby should not change
based on a single study," she said.

SOURCE: Archives of Pediatrics & Adolescent Medicine, online November 7, 2011.

11.

Could Iron-Fortified Formula Be Bad for Development?

Posted by: "Sativa Huang" sativahuang@gmail.com   sativahuang

Sat Dec 10, 2011 12:04 pm (PST)



Could Iron-Fortified Formula Be Bad for Development?
http://pediatrics.jwatch.org/cgi/content/full/2011/1207/1

Children given iron-fortified formula as infants scored lower on
cognitive and visual-motor tests at age 10 years.

Most infant formula in the U.S. is fortified with iron (about 12
mg/L), and keeping infants iron replete is thought to be key to normal
development. To examine long-term developmental effects of
iron-fortified formula, researchers assessed measures of IQ, math
skills, spatial memory, and visual and motor functioning in 473
10-year-olds in Chile who had participated in an anemia prevention
trial as infants. Each child had been randomized to receive either
iron-fortified formula (mean, 12.7 mg/L) or low-iron formula (2.3
mg/L) between ages 6 and 12 months. Infants with iron deficiency
anemia were excluded. At age 12 months, iron deficiency without anemia
was significantly more common in the low-iron group than the
iron-fortified group (35% vs. 17%); at age 10 years, iron status did
not differ between groups.

All developmental test scores were higher in the low-iron group than
in the iron-fortified group, but scores were significantly higher only
for spatial memory and visual-motor integration (mean differences, 4.6
and 2.6 points, respectively, on 100-point scales). Among a small
subset of 26 children with high hemoglobin levels (>12.8 g/dL) at age
6 months, the low-iron group scored significantly better than the
iron-fortified group on all tests but one, with mean differences
ranging between 11 and 19 points.

Comment: It makes sense that we should not give infants too little or
too much iron. But is iron-fortified formula itself detrimental to
long-term development, especially in infants with relatively high
hemoglobin levels (and presumably high iron stores)? An editorialist
notes that findings from other studies of development and iron
supplementation are inconsistent. These are provocative results and
should be replicated before we start checking hemoglobin levels in
young infants and stocking up on low-iron formula.

â€" Cornelius W. Van Niel, MD

Published in Journal Watch Pediatrics and Adolescent Medicine December 7, 2011

Citation(s):

Lozoff B et al. Iron-fortified vs low-iron infant formula:
Developmental outcome at 10 years. Arch Pediatr Adolesc Med 2011 Nov
7; [e-pub ahead of print],
(http://dx.doi.org/10.1001/archpediatrics.2011.197)

Christian P. Iron in infancy and long-term development. Arch Pediatr
Adolesc Med 2011 Nov 7; [e-pub ahead of print].
(http://dx.doi.org/10.1001/archpediatrics.2011.203)

12a.

Re: Buku dr. Wati

Posted by: "isneini@gmail.com" isneini@gmail.com

Sat Dec 10, 2011 3:58 pm (PST)



Sya mau dong Buku dr.Wati..susah mendapatkannya...*menambah daftar yg ingin membeli buku dr.Wati..

Salam,
Ummi Maza
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Subject: Re: [sehat] Buku dr. Wati

Mbak Dahlia,
Dengan segala hormat, jangan fotokopi yah. Melanggar hak cipta lho.
Kalau 2 copy aja keknya ada siy mbak di markas sehat (kalau mbak domisili di jkt)
Tunggu cetak lagi ya, semoga penerbit segera mencetak ulang. Atau Mbak mau telepon penerbitnya? Semakin banyak yg minta, semakin tergiur penerbitnya.

Teman2nya ajak join milis dong.

Regards,

-alifah-
Regards,
--Alifah--
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12b.

Re: Buku dr. Wati

Posted by: "Siska" blue_for_sure@yahoo.com   blue_for_sure

Sat Dec 10, 2011 4:21 pm (PST)



Mba Dahlia dan Ummi Maza,

Sudah coba cari di toko buku online? Hanya sekedar saran aja lo saya dulu iseng googling dapet juga :)

Oiya jangan fotocopy ya,sayang sama Bunda dan YOP kan?kalau belum dapet juga mgkn in the mean time bisa ajak milis ato mgkn di print kan file common problem itu juga sgt helpful kan :)

Maaf kl krg berkenan.
Siska ¤Mamae FayzaNamira¤
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Subject: Re: [sehat] Buku dr. Wati

Sya mau dong Buku dr.Wati..susah mendapatkannya...*menambah daftar yg ingin membeli buku dr.Wati..

Salam,
Ummi Maza
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From: alifah.davida@gmail.com
Sender: sehat@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 12:23:36
To: <sehat@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: sehat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sehat] Buku dr. Wati

Mbak Dahlia,
Dengan segala hormat, jangan fotokopi yah. Melanggar hak cipta lho.
Kalau 2 copy aja keknya ada siy mbak di markas sehat (kalau mbak domisili di jkt)
Tunggu cetak lagi ya, semoga penerbit segera mencetak ulang. Atau Mbak mau telepon penerbitnya? Semakin banyak yg minta, semakin tergiur penerbitnya.

Teman2nya ajak join milis dong.

Regards,

-alifah-
Regards,
--Alifah--
challenge yourself, being smart never hurt



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13a.

(sehat) (ASK) Bingung atas hasil Second Opinion Bronkhopneumonia

Posted by: "dini_na" dini_na@yahoo.com   dini_na

Sat Dec 10, 2011 5:16 pm (PST)



Selamat hari minggu pagi para Doc's & SP's serta para moms & dads [B-)]
,
Pada tanggal 02 Desember kemarin sykontrol ke DSA karena akhtar bapil
gak sembuh-sembuh (hampir 1 bulan, sebelumnya kontrol diberi terapi
inhalasi nacl dan udah mendingan tetapi tertular dari baby sitternya
lagi) karena tertular dari BS nya bapilnya makin parah sampai anaknya
batuk teriak-teriak dan terbangun dari tidur akhirnya kontrol lagi pada
tanggal 02 kemarin dan dinyatakan masih common cold dan tidak diberi
obat atau terapi apapun.
Karena batuknya tetap makin menjadi-jadi akhirnya tanggal 06 Desember
kontrol lagi ke DSA dan diindikasikan bronkhopneumonia karena bunyi
parunya ada indikasi berlendir dan dirongent torax dengan hasil gambaran
bronkhopneumonia. DSA menyarankan untuk diopname dengan diinfus karena
anakku gak mau makan, tetapi setelah dicoba beberapa kali termasuk
dengan dr anestasi belum bisa ditemukan nadinya (duh.. hati saya miris
pgn nangis mendengar anak saya teriak-teriak karena ditusukin jarum
terus). Akhirnyadisarankan intravena tetapi saya tidak mau karena ada
risiko infeksi, tetapi alhamdulillah anaknya masih kencang minum asinya
dan mau minum kaldu jadi saya dan suami memutuskan tidak perlu dilakukan
intravena dan setalah dipikir-pikir seharusnya tidak perlu infus juga ya
karena anak saya masih mau minum obat scr oral (duh, mama dan papanya
bodoh korbannya anaknya deh huhu).
Diopnamenya diterapi inhalasi (dengan combivent) dan dipanasin punggung
dan dadanya dan dikasi AB Cefsan karena bronkhopenumonianya karena
bakteri. Setelah observasi ternyata ditemukan mengi juga, DSA mengubah
obat inhalasinya dan menambahkan puyer serta menyarankan untuk
konsultasi ke DSA ahli paru karena sepertinya pencetus
bronkhopneumonianya karena faktor turunan asma (kakek dan bude dari
pihak ayah memang asma berat).
Pulang dari rs tanggal 09 Desember, akhtar sudah lebih seger dan
dahaknya sudah keluar lumayan banyak melalui muntah, karena disarankan
ke DSA ahli paru maka tanggal 10 desember konsultasi ke DSA paru
dijatinegara. Kata dr paru bukan bronkhopneumonia tetapi hanya indikasi
bapil yang disebabkan alergi (lupa namanya apa, dan saya tidak bisa baca
tulisan diagnosa di buku kesehatan akhtar, tulisannya indah banget hehe)
dan tidak diperlukan obat apapun dan anaknya dalam kondisi sehat. Saya
menanyakan apakah perawatan yang telah diberikan termasuk inhalasi perlu
diteruskan, beliau menjawab tidak dapat berkomentar apapun tentang
diagnosa keputusan DSA sebelumnya (perawatan yang sudah diberikan tidak
perlu dibicarakan) tetapi saran dia tidak perlu diberi obat apapun
tetapi harus menghindari pencetus asma seperti asap rokok.
Saya juga menanyakan bagaimana dengan AB nya karena telah diberi AB,
karena setau saya pemberian AB tidak boleh dihentikan sebelum habis
obatnya, beliau menjawab "kata siapa AB tidak bisa dihentikan?", terus
saya menanyakan lebih lanjut karena anak saya dianggap sehat, sampai
kondisi apa perlu dibawa ke dokter, apakah sewaktu sesak nafas dan saya
menanyakan sesak nafas itu seperti apa? beliau menjawab "dia tidak bisa
mencontohkan sesak seperti apa, saya disuruh liat dibangsal nanti baru
keliatan kalau ada contoh pasien yang sesak nafas".
Terus terang saya tidak mengerti penjelasan dr paru tersebut, jadi
apakah anak saya tidak bronkhopneumonia dan bagaimana dengan AB nya?
apakah harus diteruskan? sy jadi bingung nanti kontrol mau ke DSA
sebelumnya atau dr paru tersebut? karena diagnosa yang diberikan
berbeda.
Dear doc's and moms & dads mohon diberi saran, saya sih cocok dengan DSA
sebelumnya tetapi yang ahli mengenai paru kan DSA paru seperti saran DSA
saya, tetapi saya tidak sreg dengan penjelasan beliau yang tidak
terbuka. Apakah saya perlu ke DSA paru lainnya? duh bingung, sy tidak
tahu apakah secara kode etik maka dokter tidak dapat mengomentari
diagnosa yang telah diberikan dokter sebelumnya ya? (setau saya ya
namanya second opinion, pastilah kita mencari opini yang mungkin
berbeda).
Mungkin bisa disarankan DSA paru yang lebh komunikatif dan terbuka
(memang sih DSA paru itu antriannya banyak banget jadi sepertinya beliau
tidak prefer untuk memberikan penjelasan panjang lebar).
terima kasih sebelumnya, maaf kalau sudah pernah dibahas.
mommeenya akhtar

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13b.

Re: (sehat) (ASK) Bingung atas hasil Second Opinion Bronkhopneumonia

Posted by: "F.B.Monika" f_monika_b@yahoo.com   f_monika_b

Sat Dec 10, 2011 6:09 pm (PST)



Dear Mba Dini,

Jadi anak Mba diopname karena BP? Kasian sekali anak Mba ditusuk berkali :(.
Apakah sesak, tidak bisa masuk asupan apapun via oral?
Apakah Mba tau tanda2 anak sesak, berapa frekuensi nafasnya?
Ketika pemeriksaan klinis melalui stetoskop apakah dominan Ronchi yg merupakan salah satu khas BP?

Maaf banyak bertanya supaya lengkap data2nya

F.B.Monika

14a.

Hello

Posted by: "Vini Hidayat" vini_hidayat@yahoo.com   vini_hidayat

Sat Dec 10, 2011 5:51 pm (PST)





 
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14b.

Re: Hello

Posted by: "Mutiara Santoso" mutiara.santoso@yahoo.co.id   mutiara.santoso

Sat Dec 10, 2011 6:04 pm (PST)



Pak'e Ghozan help ya...

-Mutiara-
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Dear friend,I bought an ipad2 from the websitewww.xondeall.com 
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introduce the site to you, hope you could find some products you
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