Tuesday, October 25, 2011

[sehat] Digest Number 16334

Milis SEHAT Group

Messages In This Digest (25 Messages)

1.
FW: [sehat] Re:panas tinggi dan kelenjar limpha membesar From: Rizky_P@mersifarma.com
2.
FW: [sehat] I heard your email From: Rizky_P@mersifarma.com
3.
FW: [sehat] air hujan From: Rizky_P@mersifarma.com
4.
FW: [sehat] Hey there How are you. From: Rizky_P@mersifarma.com
5.
FW: [sehat] Seizure vs syncope From: Rizky_P@mersifarma.com
6a.
FW: [sehat] Setelah vaksin Varicella kena cacar air From: Rizky_P@mersifarma.com
7.
FW: [sehat] KGB bengkak lebih dari 1 From: Rizky_P@mersifarma.com
8.
FW: [sehat] Wta: tanda2 penyakit apa? From: Rizky_P@mersifarma.com
9.
FW: [sehat] [news] Whither the anti-vaccine movement? From: Rizky_P@mersifarma.com
10.1.
Re: Punya anak laki? From: feby eboy
10.2.
Re: Punya anak laki? From: Bong Mi Yun
10.3.
Re: Punya anak laki? From: heidy_jo@yahoo.com
10.4.
Re: Punya anak laki? From: i_am_junita@yahoo.com
10.5.
Re: Punya anak laki? From: Putri Suhendro
10.6.
Re: Punya anak laki? From: Elga Soeardi
10.7.
Re: Punya anak laki? From: Inta
10.8.
Re: Punya anak laki? From: heidy_jo@yahoo.com
11a.
Re: FW: [sehat] tanya : perlukah campak n polio di PIN posyandu? From: taufik siswanto
12a.
Re: (ask) Imunisasi campak telat... From: t45ya_w@yahoo.com
13.
Re: emailnya pak Rizky From: wening2007@yahoo.co.id
14a.
Re: Cara Aman Dan Ampuh Menghilangkan Lendir / Dahak From: umialiyah_dzatil@yahoo.co.id
15a.
Pak Reski Tolong Eamialnya Di Perbaiki From: /ghz
16a.
Re: Mohon info/link tentang malaria From: agnes.ernaa@gmail.com
17a.
Re: asip mencair From: leny kurnia sari
18.
Rizky_P@mersifarma.com kok memforward semua email sih From: rika.corner@gmail.com

Messages

1.

FW: [sehat] Re:panas tinggi dan kelenjar limpha membesar

Posted by: "Rizky_P@mersifarma.com" Rizky_P@mersifarma.com   riz_perwita

Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:01 pm (PDT)





-----Original Message-----
From: sehat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sehat@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Ochie Said
Sent: 21 Oktober 2011 8:02
To: sehat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sehat] Re:panas tinggi dan kelenjar limpha membesar

Mba' Monica,
 
Terimakasih saran dan supportnya,
 
Sampe kemarin sore masih panas, aku cek urine dan hasilnya ada bacteri (+),
jadi aku minta sekalian periksa urine culture, untuk sementara ini panasnya
masih aku kasih paracetamol (BB 63kg), saya kasih 1,5 tab = 750mg
 
Tadi pagi pas bangun tidur dia nggak bisa jalan dan ternyata lutut kananya
merah dan bengkak, tidak ada riwayat jatuh atau cedera sebelumnya, kelenjar
limpha di pangkal pahanya juga masih bengkak dan sakit
 
Apa mungkin ini tanda2 rheumatoid arthritis ya, aku lagi coba browsing2
 
Salam
Ochie

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"Milis SEHAT didukung oleh : CBN Net Internet Access &Website.
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- PT LG Electronics Indonesia as exclusive partner of FAMILY FUN DAY MILIS
SEHAT 2011.

Our biggest gratitude to: HBTLaw, PT. Intiland, and PT. Permata Bank Tbk.
who have consistently sponsored our program, PESAT (Program Edukasi
Kesehatan Anak Untuk Orang Tua)."
"SEHAT mailing list is supported by CBN Net for Internet Access &Website.

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2.

FW: [sehat] I heard your email

Posted by: "Rizky_P@mersifarma.com" Rizky_P@mersifarma.com   riz_perwita

Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:01 pm (PDT)





-----Original Message-----
From: sehat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sehat@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
bungamatahari78@yahoo.com
Sent: 20 Oktober 2011 23:30
To: sehat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sehat] I heard your email

www.DriveSafe.ly read it to me.I will get back to you soon.
Sent from my BlackBerryR smartphone from Sinyal Bagus XL, Nyambung
Teruuusss...!

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Milis SEHAT mengucapkan terimakasih kepada:
- Asuransi AIA atas partisipasinya sebagai sponsor PESAT Bali 2011
- PT LG Electronics Indonesia atas partisipasinya sebagai Sponsor Tunggal
FAMILY FUN DAY MILIS SEHAT 2011.

Terima kasih & penghargaan sedalam-dalamnya kepada : HBTLaw, PT.Intiland,
dan PT. Permata Bank Tbk. yang telah dan konsisten mensponsori program kami,
PESAT (Program Edukasi Kesehatan Anak Untuk Orang Tua)."

"Milis SEHAT didukung oleh : CBN Net Internet Access &Website.
=================================================================
Milis Sehat thanks to:
- AIA Insurance as sponsor for PESAT Bali 2011
- PT LG Electronics Indonesia as exclusive partner of FAMILY FUN DAY MILIS
SEHAT 2011.

Our biggest gratitude to: HBTLaw, PT. Intiland, and PT. Permata Bank Tbk.
who have consistently sponsored our program, PESAT (Program Edukasi
Kesehatan Anak Untuk Orang Tua)."
"SEHAT mailing list is supported by CBN Net for Internet Access &Website.

Kunjungi kami di (Visit us at):
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FB : http://www.facebook.com/pages/Milissehat/131922690207238
Twitter : @milissehat <http://twitter.com/milissehat/>
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3.

FW: [sehat] air hujan

Posted by: "Rizky_P@mersifarma.com" Rizky_P@mersifarma.com   riz_perwita

Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:01 pm (PDT)





-----Original Message-----
From: sehat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sehat@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Luky
kristyawati
Sent: 20 Oktober 2011 22:31
To: milis sehat
Subject: [sehat] air hujan

mlm....
mau tanya nih.... apa benar air hujan tidak baik untuk kesehatan? maksudnya
buat mandi ato sekedar utk mencuci sayuran (maksudnya bukan utk dikonsumsi).
jadi ceritanya meski tinggal di kota besar perumahan tempat tinggal temanku
ini air pdam belum masuk,jadi orang sekitar perumahan temanku ini
memanfaatkan air bujan (yg sudah ditampung dan disaring dgn carbon) utk
mandi dan mencuci sayuran/bahan makanan lainnya. utk memasak dan minum
mereka tetap memakai air galon yg sdh dijual di pasaran. selain memanfaatkan
air hujan, ketika musim kemarau mereka 'terpaksa' memakai air tangki (air yg
didapat lewat sumur bor) yg memang dijual dgn harga yg lumayan berat
diongkos (klo pake air tangki sebulan bisa habis 1jt an hanya utk memenuhi
kebutuhan air saja :((...). mohon sharingnya nih...mgkn ada SP yg punya
pengalaman ato informasi seputar masalah di atas. karena temanku ini baru
saja dipindah tugaskan dan dia bingung karena 2 anak yg masih kecil (3 dan 4
tahun).... ditunggu sharingnya...

makasih...

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Milis SEHAT mengucapkan terimakasih kepada:
- Asuransi AIA atas partisipasinya sebagai sponsor PESAT Bali 2011
- PT LG Electronics Indonesia atas partisipasinya sebagai Sponsor Tunggal
FAMILY FUN DAY MILIS SEHAT 2011.

Terima kasih & penghargaan sedalam-dalamnya kepada : HBTLaw, PT.Intiland,
dan PT. Permata Bank Tbk. yang telah dan konsisten mensponsori program kami,
PESAT (Program Edukasi Kesehatan Anak Untuk Orang Tua)."

"Milis SEHAT didukung oleh : CBN Net Internet Access &Website.
=================================================================
Milis Sehat thanks to:
- AIA Insurance as sponsor for PESAT Bali 2011
- PT LG Electronics Indonesia as exclusive partner of FAMILY FUN DAY MILIS
SEHAT 2011.

Our biggest gratitude to: HBTLaw, PT. Intiland, and PT. Permata Bank Tbk.
who have consistently sponsored our program, PESAT (Program Edukasi
Kesehatan Anak Untuk Orang Tua)."
"SEHAT mailing list is supported by CBN Net for Internet Access &Website.

Kunjungi kami di (Visit us at):
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4.

FW: [sehat] Hey there How are you.

Posted by: "Rizky_P@mersifarma.com" Rizky_P@mersifarma.com   riz_perwita

Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:01 pm (PDT)





-----Original Message-----
From: sehat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sehat@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
virdya alma
Sent: 21 Oktober 2011 3:50
To: ajengtita@yahoo.com; babynogta@yahoo.com; dokumen@bayubuanatravel.com;
syifa_clothdiaper_shop@yahoo.co.id; irana23an@yahoo.com;
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popok-kain@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sehat] Hey there How are you.

<p>hola.<br>no regrets after doing this venture<br><a
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&amp;u=http://job-allnews.net/esubmit/bizopp_main.php">http://www.fraza.ua/a
w.php?tebog&amp;fac=msn.com&amp;pevi=facebook.com&amp;u=http://job-allnews.n
et/esubmit/bizopp_main.php</a><br>see you</p>

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Milis SEHAT mengucapkan terimakasih kepada:
- Asuransi AIA atas partisipasinya sebagai sponsor PESAT Bali 2011
- PT LG Electronics Indonesia atas partisipasinya sebagai Sponsor Tunggal
FAMILY FUN DAY MILIS SEHAT 2011.

Terima kasih & penghargaan sedalam-dalamnya kepada : HBTLaw, PT.Intiland,
dan PT. Permata Bank Tbk. yang telah dan konsisten mensponsori program kami,
PESAT (Program Edukasi Kesehatan Anak Untuk Orang Tua)."

"Milis SEHAT didukung oleh : CBN Net Internet Access &Website.
=================================================================
Milis Sehat thanks to:
- AIA Insurance as sponsor for PESAT Bali 2011
- PT LG Electronics Indonesia as exclusive partner of FAMILY FUN DAY MILIS
SEHAT 2011.

Our biggest gratitude to: HBTLaw, PT. Intiland, and PT. Permata Bank Tbk.
who have consistently sponsored our program, PESAT (Program Edukasi
Kesehatan Anak Untuk Orang Tua)."
"SEHAT mailing list is supported by CBN Net for Internet Access &Website.

Kunjungi kami di (Visit us at):
Official Web : http://milissehat.web.id/
FB : http://www.facebook.com/pages/Milissehat/131922690207238
Twitter : @milissehat <http://twitter.com/milissehat/>
==================================================================
Donasi (donation):
Rekening Yayasan Orang Tua Peduli
Bank Mandiri
Cabang Kemang Raya Jakarta
Account Number: 126.000.4634514
==================================================================Yahoo!
Groups Links

5.

FW: [sehat] Seizure vs syncope

Posted by: "Rizky_P@mersifarma.com" Rizky_P@mersifarma.com   riz_perwita

Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:01 pm (PDT)





-----Original Message-----
From: sehat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sehat@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Laksmi Purwitosari
Sent: 21 Oktober 2011 6:32
To: sehat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sehat] Seizure vs syncope

Dear all,
Siapa tau ada yang membutuhkan, membedakan seizure (bangkitan) dengan
syncope (pingsan)

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1186872-overview#a30

Seizure Versus Syncope
Loss of consciousness is a frequent reason for seeking medical care. The
most frequent causes are cardiovascular (eg, arrhythmia, decreased blood
pressure) or neurologic (eg, seizure, stroke).[105, 106] Loss of
consciousness can be a diagnostic challenge both for neurologists and
cardiologists. In 60% of cases, the cause is obvious from the clinical
picture.

Syncope can occur with abrupt cessation of the cerebral perfusion for 6-8
seconds, or a reduction of only 20%. Clinical findings suggestive of a
cardiovascular pathophysiology are dizziness or lightheadedness before the
event and regaining consciousness, shortly after resuming the supine
position. In patients with loss of consciousness caused by seizures, clonic
jerks, and prolonged confusion after the event are more frequent. Below,
Table 5 highlights the major findings in seizure and syncope that can help
distinguish these 2 entities. Inability to make this distinction correctly
may lead not only to misdiagnosis in approximately 40% of patients but also
to treatment that is ineffective and potentially dangerous.

Table 5. Features That Distinguish Between Seizure and Syncope (Open Table
in a new window)

Findings Seizure Syncope
Prodrome Specific auras Symptoms of cerebral hypoperfusion -
Lightheadedness, dizziness, dimming vision, and hearing

Signs of sympathetic activation - Sweating, hyperventilation, anxiety

Onset Rapid Gradual
Vital functions Usually tachycardia Bradycardia or tachycardia,
hypotension
Position Can be in any position Usually in upright position
Wakefulness Can be sleep related Almost never in sleep
Motor activity Tonic-clonic activity, automatisms common Can have
tonic posturing, clonic jerks, rarely automatisms
Incontinence Common Uncommon
Oral and head trauma Common Uncommon
Return of consciousness Gradual Prompt
Postictal confusion Common, lasts hours to days Seconds, rarely 1
minute or longer
EEG during attack Typically shows ictal rhythmic activity Slowing,
indicating cerebral hypoperfusion
ECG during attack Can show tachycardia or arrhythmia Can show
tachycardia, bradycardia, or arrhythmia
Holter monitoring Unremarkable May show arrhythmia
Tilt table No change Can induce syncope
ECG = electrocardiography; EEG = electroencephalography.
At one end of the spectrum, patients who lose consciousness because of acute
cardiovascular failure, as in hypotension or arrhythmia, may have myoclonic
jerks, tonic spasm, and urinary incontinence during the event.[107] These
are probably induced by transient cerebral hypoperfusion, releasing motor
centers in the upper brain stem from inhibition. In this group, interictal
electroencephalography (EEG) may be normal. When these patients undergo
evaluation of autonomic cardiovascular reflexes, they can show not only
decreased heart rate variability (HRV) but also syncope during the
tilt-table test, which may be accompanied by some myoclonic jerks if the
tilt is not reversed promptly.

Simultaneous EEG recording during tilt-table testing typically shows no
evidence of seizure but rather progressive slowing, sometimes progressing to
flattening, a sequence typical of cerebral hypoperfusion.[108] When
diagnosed correctly, these patients do not require antiepileptic
medications; rather, they need further evaluation and treatment of their
cardiovascular disorders.

At the other end of the spectrum, patients with epilepsy may have cardiac
arrhythmias, including asystole, which in turn can cause loss of
consciousness. Many studies, as mentioned above, have documented these
cardiovascular events during seizures. When diagnosed appropriately, such
patients may benefit more from antiepileptic medications than from treatment
of their cardiac pathologies, although a pacemaker can be protective for
those with ictal bradyarrhythmias whose seizures cannot be controlled. Ictal
asystole with convulsive syncope mimicking secondary generalization is an
interesting dilemma that can represent a challenging clinical diagnosis.[30]

In prolonged QT syndrome, defects in the potassium and sodium channels with
superimposed cardiac sympathetic imbalance result in prolongation of the
myocyte action potential and trigger ventricular arrhythmias. Patients with
this syndrome, especially those with the familial form, have a high rate of
seizures and sudden death. Both children and adults with history of loss of
consciousness after a seizure require an electrocardiogram (ECG) to rule out
this syndrome.[109, 110] Treatment with phenytoin can aggravate the
associated arrhythmias.

Very little evidence exists to clarify the potential influence of ANS on
cortical epileptogenic foci. The general level of excitement in some
patients seems to contribute to their seizure susceptibility. The ANS also
may be involved in certain forms of reflex epilepsy. In addition, cardiac
arrhythmias potentially can cause cerebral hypoperfusion, leading in some
cases to convulsive activity and rarely to actual cortical epileptic
activity.[111]

Laksmi Purwitosari

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Milis SEHAT mengucapkan terimakasih kepada:
- Asuransi AIA atas partisipasinya sebagai sponsor PESAT Bali 2011
- PT LG Electronics Indonesia atas partisipasinya sebagai Sponsor Tunggal
FAMILY FUN DAY MILIS SEHAT 2011.

Terima kasih & penghargaan sedalam-dalamnya kepada : HBTLaw, PT.Intiland,
dan PT. Permata Bank Tbk. yang telah dan konsisten mensponsori program kami,
PESAT (Program Edukasi Kesehatan Anak Untuk Orang Tua)."

"Milis SEHAT didukung oleh : CBN Net Internet Access &Website.
=================================================================
Milis Sehat thanks to:
- AIA Insurance as sponsor for PESAT Bali 2011
- PT LG Electronics Indonesia as exclusive partner of FAMILY FUN DAY MILIS
SEHAT 2011.

Our biggest gratitude to: HBTLaw, PT. Intiland, and PT. Permata Bank Tbk.
who have consistently sponsored our program, PESAT (Program Edukasi
Kesehatan Anak Untuk Orang Tua)."
"SEHAT mailing list is supported by CBN Net for Internet Access &Website.

Kunjungi kami di (Visit us at):
Official Web : http://milissehat.web.id/
FB : http://www.facebook.com/pages/Milissehat/131922690207238
Twitter : @milissehat <http://twitter.com/milissehat/>
==================================================================
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6a.

FW: [sehat] Setelah vaksin Varicella kena cacar air

Posted by: "Rizky_P@mersifarma.com" Rizky_P@mersifarma.com   riz_perwita

Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:01 pm (PDT)





-----Original Message-----
From: sehat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sehat@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of astrid_proborini@yahoo.com
Sent: 20 Oktober 2011 20:57
To: sehat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sehat] Setelah vaksin Varicella kena cacar air

Malem dokter, SP's
Sabtu 15 okt kmrn saya vaksinkan Gavin (1th) varicella. Senin 17 okt keluar bentol2 (lesi),tnyta Gavin kena cacar air. Prediksi saya,dia ketularan kakaknya yg baru saja sembuh dari cacar air 2 minggu sebelumnya. Pertimbangan saya memvaksin Gavin,karena sependek yg saya tau masa inkubasi varicella adl 2 minggu. Jadi,setelah 2 minggu Icha sakit cacar dan Gavin tdk menunjukkan tanda2 tertular,langsung saya vaksinkan. Tp tnyata cacarnya keluar.
Nah pertanyaannya : apakah tdk apa2 bila sakit cacar berdekatan dengan vaksin varicella yg baru diterimanya,mengingat utk jarak pemberian vaksinnya sendiri harus άÏ'ά jeda. Mohon pencerahannya.
Terima kasih.

~ Astrid ~
mamanya Icha (5y) & Gavin (1y).

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Milis SEHAT mengucapkan terimakasih kepada:
- Asuransi AIA atas partisipasinya sebagai sponsor PESAT Bali 2011
- PT LG Electronics Indonesia atas partisipasinya sebagai Sponsor Tunggal FAMILY FUN DAY MILIS SEHAT 2011.

Terima kasih & penghargaan sedalam-dalamnya kepada : HBTLaw, PT.Intiland, dan PT. Permata Bank Tbk. yang telah dan konsisten mensponsori program kami, PESAT (Program Edukasi Kesehatan Anak Untuk Orang Tua)."

"Milis SEHAT didukung oleh : CBN Net Internet Access &Website.
=================================================================
Milis Sehat thanks to:
- AIA Insurance as sponsor for PESAT Bali 2011
- PT LG Electronics Indonesia as exclusive partner of FAMILY FUN DAY MILIS SEHAT 2011.

Our biggest gratitude to: HBTLaw, PT. Intiland, and PT. Permata Bank Tbk. who have consistently sponsored our program, PESAT (Program Edukasi Kesehatan Anak Untuk Orang Tua)."
"SEHAT mailing list is supported by CBN Net for Internet Access &Website.

Kunjungi kami di (Visit us at):
Official Web : http://milissehat.web.id/
FB : http://www.facebook.com/pages/Milissehat/131922690207238
Twitter : @milissehat <http://twitter.com/milissehat/>
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7.

FW: [sehat] KGB bengkak lebih dari 1

Posted by: "Rizky_P@mersifarma.com" Rizky_P@mersifarma.com   riz_perwita

Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:01 pm (PDT)





-----Original Message-----
From: sehat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sehat@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
novalina_sehat@yahoo.com
Sent: 21 Oktober 2011 6:07
To: Milis Sehat
Subject: [sehat] KGB bengkak lebih dari 1

Docs n sps,

Mau bertanya ya...

Dulu sy sempat khawatir (sdh tanya ke milis jg), krn adik sy TB paru.

Oleh dsa sy disuruh jaga gizi Selma (22bln), dan lapor kalau 3bln berturut2
ada penurunan berat badan. Alhamdulillah, sejak adik divonis +TB s/d skrg
(sdh >1thn) Selma ga pernah turun BB nya.

Kmrn, wkt lg nenenin selma, sy elus2 kepala nya, ternyata di kuping kanan
dan kiri, leher belakang ada pembengkakan kgb, leher belakang kanan kiri
masing2 2buah (berdempetan), jd total ada 6.

Ada hubungan ga ya dgn TB? Aku browsing ttg si kgb ini, dpt info kalo kgb
leher bagian belakang memiliki resiko keganasan lebih besar drpd bagian
anterior.

Lalu, kalau dr skoring, selma dpt poin 3 dr kontak dgn penderita TB, dan 1
dr pembengkakan kgb, berarti udh 4, cuma butuh 2 lg aja..

Takut bgt pas tes mantoux ternyata positif jd skoring nya jd 7.

Minta saran nya ya sps..

Thx,
Nova.
Sent from my BlackBerryR smartphone from Sinyal Bagus XL, Nyambung
Teruuusss...!

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Milis SEHAT mengucapkan terimakasih kepada:
- Asuransi AIA atas partisipasinya sebagai sponsor PESAT Bali 2011
- PT LG Electronics Indonesia atas partisipasinya sebagai Sponsor Tunggal
FAMILY FUN DAY MILIS SEHAT 2011.

Terima kasih & penghargaan sedalam-dalamnya kepada : HBTLaw, PT.Intiland,
dan PT. Permata Bank Tbk. yang telah dan konsisten mensponsori program kami,
PESAT (Program Edukasi Kesehatan Anak Untuk Orang Tua)."

"Milis SEHAT didukung oleh : CBN Net Internet Access &Website.
=================================================================
Milis Sehat thanks to:
- AIA Insurance as sponsor for PESAT Bali 2011
- PT LG Electronics Indonesia as exclusive partner of FAMILY FUN DAY MILIS
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FW: [sehat] Wta: tanda2 penyakit apa?

Posted by: "Rizky_P@mersifarma.com" Rizky_P@mersifarma.com   riz_perwita

Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:01 pm (PDT)





-----Original Message-----
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Monik Bunda Neisha
Sent: 20 Oktober 2011 21:08
To: sehat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sehat] Wta: tanda2 penyakit apa?

Selamat malam...

Untuk Varicella 2 walau belum tertinggal Varicella 1 nya, tetap bisa
diberikan dengan jarak 3 bulan setelah Varicella 1.

9. Varicella vaccine. (Minimum age: 12 months)

. The second dose may be administered before age 4 years, provided at least
3 months have elapsed since the first dose.
. For children aged 12 months through 12 years the recommended minimum
interval between doses is 3 months. However, if the second dose was
administered at least 4 weeks after the first dose, it can be accepted as
valid.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/recs/schedules/downloads/child/0-6yrs-schedule-p
r.pdf

salam,

-Monik-
@corneliamonita

On 20 Oct 2011 15:27, "F.B.Monika" <f_monika_b@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Dear Mba Zeta ,

> "Dulu sy pernah baca, kalo booster varisella bs dilakukan 3 bln
> setelah
varisella 1 "
>
> Monik :
> Itu Jadwal catch up Varicella Mba ..
> Proteksi lebih tinggi bila 2x betul n setuju..

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FW: [sehat] [news] Whither the anti-vaccine movement?

Posted by: "Rizky_P@mersifarma.com" Rizky_P@mersifarma.com   riz_perwita

Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:01 pm (PDT)





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Subject: [sehat] [news] Whither the anti-vaccine movement?

sekedar bacaan pagi menemani secangkir kopi, siapa tahu bisa menambah
wawasan berfikir kita.

selamat beraktivitas 'man jada wa jada' (siapa yg bersungguh-sungguh Insya
Allah akan berhasil)

salam sehat
bapakeghozan

Whither the anti-vaccine movement?

<http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2011/10/whither_the_anti-vaccine_movement
.php>

Category: Alternative medicine
<http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/medicine/alternative_medicine/> .
Antivaccination lunacy
<http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/medicine/antivaccination_lunacy/> .
Autism <http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/medicine/autism/> . Medicine
<http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/medicine/>
Posted on: October 20, 2011 6:00 AM, by Orac
<http://scienceblogs.com/insolence>

Yesterday, I congratulated that bane of anti-vaccine movement and great
vaccine scientist, Dr. Paul Offit, for having been accepted into the
Institute of Medicine
<http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2011/10/a_well-deserved_honor_is_bestowed
.php>.
It's a huge honor, and one well-deserved. At the time, I contrasted Dr.
Offit, who has ascended to the highest heights of his profession through
good science, with Dr. Andrew Wakefield, architect (or at least the most
important architect) of the anti-MMR hysteria that gripped the U.K. in the
late 1990s that's only now starting to abate, who is reduced to speaking in
front of crank physician groups, being feted at anti-vaccine conferences
<http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/crank-conferences-a-parody-of
-science-based-medicine-that-can-suck-in-even-reputable-scientists-and-insti
tutions/>,
and appearing at crank anti-vaccine demonstrations pathetic even by the
standards of crank anti-vaccine demonstrations
<http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2010/05/is_the_anti-vaccine_movement_fizz
ling.php>.
It almost makes me feel sorry for Wakefield. Almost.

In any case, at the time I said I'd try to soldier my way through the video
of Wakefield speaking at the annual meeting of the Ayn Randian crank
physician group the American Association of Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS).
And try I did. I really did. But even alcohol wasn't enough to get me
through all 45 minutes, and, given that it was a work night, I was limited
to only one or two beers at most. That's not nearly enough. Deconstructing
this much concentrated, neuron-apoptosing idiocy is a weekend project.
Actually, it's a vacation project, because I'd need to ask one of my
partners to cover for me. Wakefield's just not worth it.

So, I had to find a different way to honor Dr. Offit, and I found it in an
article that was just published. It's by Anna Kirkland
<http://www.lsa.umich.edu/polisci/people/faculty/ci.kirklandanna_ci.detail>
at the University of Michigan entitled The Legitimacy of Vaccine
Critics: What Is Left after the Autism Hypothesis?
<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22003097> I don't agree with everything
in the article, but it's a good primer on the recent history of the
anti-vaccine movement and speculates on what will come next now that the
hypothesis that vaccines cause autism has been so thoroughly discredited.

Let's dispose of one thing right away that I don't particularly like about
the article:

The last dozen years have seen a massive transnational mobilization
of the legal, political, and research communities in response to the
worrisome hypothesis that vaccines could have a link to childhood
autism and other developmental conditions. Vaccine critics, some
already organized and some composed of newly galvanized parents,
developed an alternate world of internally legitimating studies,
blogs, conferences, publications, and spokespeople to affirm a
connection. When the consensus turned against the autism hypothesis,
these structures and a committed membership base unified all the
organizations in resistance. This article examines the relationship
between mobilization based on science and the trajectory of
legitimacy vaccine criticism has taken. I argue that vaccine critics
have run up against the limits of legitimate scientific argument and
are now in the curious position of both doubling down on
credibility-depleting stances and innovating new and possibly
resonant formulations.

While Kirkland gets a lot right in her article, I don't like the way she
writes, "when the consensus turned against the autism hypothesis." The
reason, of course, is that the scientific consensus was never /*for*/ the
autism hypothesis to begin with. In strictly scientific terms, the very most
you can say about the vaccine-autism hypothesis is that for a brief period
of time scientists considered it not sufficiently implausible (barely) to
ignore completely, particularly given that the fear mongering of the
anti-vaccine movement was having an effect on public confidence in the
vaccine program. Over the last 15 years, numerous studies have been done,
and none of them performed by reputable scientists using rigorous
methodology have found a hint of a trace of a whiff of an association
between vaccines and autism. As I've said before, the vaccine-autism
hypothesis is no more! It has ceased to be!
It's expired and gone to meet its maker! It's a stiff! Bereft of life, it
rests in peace! If anti-vaccinationists hadn't nailed it to the perch it'd
be pushing up the daisies! Its metabolic processes are now history!
It's off the twig! It's kicked the bucket, it's shuffled off its mortal
coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!!
The vaccine-autism hypothesis IS AN EX-HYPOTHESIS!!

To which, the anti-vaccine movement always replies, "It's pinin' for the
fjords."

Sorry. I know I use that routine
<http://www.mtholyoke.edu/%7Eebarnes/python/dead-parrot.htm> too much, but
it's so appropriate. I try to make sure that there are at least a few months
between uses. Of course, an alternate Monty Python analogy for the
vaccine-autism hypothesis is that it's very much like the Black Knight in
/Monty Python and the Holy Grail/ <http://youtu.be/zKhEw7nD9C4>, with
science playing the role of King Arthur. Kind of like:

Millions and millions of federal research dollars have been spent in
response to parents and their advocates' calls for answers. The
mainstream consensus from scientists and the courts has been
overwhelmingly against any connection between vaccines and autism.
Although all of these expenditures may now seem a waste of resources
on a discredited hypothesis, we must remember that uncertainty
existed initially and that the question was extremely urgent.

It fairly rapidly became apparent that this hypothesis had lost its arms and
legs. After the early 2000s, there was plenty of evidence to conclude quite
reasonably from a scientific basis that there was no correlation between
vaccines and autism. Arguably, far more money has been spent on this
question than actually needed to be spent to answer the question, and more
continues to be spent. No doubt anti-vaccine advocates will try to portray
this viewpoint contemptuously as "science has spoken" or "the science has
been settled," but in fact science has more or less spoken and the science
has been pretty well settled.
Scientists have looked and looked and looked for a correlation between
vaccines and autism and just haven't found it. That doesn't completely rule
out a link in rare situations, but it's pretty persuasive evidence that
neither vaccines nor the mercury that was in many childhood vaccines until
the end of 2001 are causes of the "autism epidemic."

What's more interesting is the question that Kirkland asks next. After a
description of the Autism Omnibus, she wonders, "But what should we make of
vaccine critics now, who have had such power to activate a research agenda,
command political attention, and conduct years of litigation, as the
consensus has settled against them?" While it's easy to be Orac and answer
as a bit of a smart-ass that there's nothing new to make of them because
they've always been a bunch of promoters of pseudoscience with an extreme
hostility towards legitimate science when it doesn't say what they believe
and what they want it to say. However, arguably, there is a change in the
anti-vaccine movement now that its best shots have come up short, with study
after study going against it and its lynchpin effort (the Autism Omnibus)
crashing and burning.

Kirkland then decides to discuss what she considers to be the two most
important and influential anti-vaccine groups, the National Vaccine
Information Center (the NVIC, Barbara Loe Fisher's group) and SafeMinds
(Sallie Bernard's group), both of which she describes as the "go-to
representatives for vaccine concerns in the policy process" and as having
"no real competitors." I had to chuckle at that passage, because that's
"gonna leave a mark," as they say, on J.B. Handley and his group Generation
Rescue. In fact, I'm half-tempted to e-mail J.B. a copy of the PDF file.
Whatever J.B. thinks about being so seriously snubbed, I'm not sure I agree
with Kirkland here in virtually completely dismissing Generation Rescue
thusly:

This organization is oriented to serving parents much more than it
is focused on policy, so it is not as important to this analysis.

Be that as it may, Kirkland accurately describes the increasingly large
series of papers that started hitting the medical literature in the early
2000s that failed to find any correlation between vaccines and autism or
thimerosal in vaccines and autism. She also concisely describes the fall of
Andrew Wakefield, all the way to the General Medical Council of the U.K.
stripping of him of his license to practice, appropriately pointing out that
he is a "charismatic leader" upon whom the anti-vaccine movement relied too
much, such that when his fall came they didn't know what to do. Pointing out
that the MMR vaccine never had thimerosal in it, she writes:

Policy makers and experts in the vaccine program believe vaccines
are a lifesaving intervention backed by a proven system of pre-and
postlicensure testing and surveillance, and that adverse events are
rare. Critics believe that vaccines are damaging on a wide scale and
promoted in bad faith by corrupted officials. All the
vaccine-critical organizations have doubled down on the autism
hypothesis and continue to embrace its discredited expositors
(Habakus and Holland 2011; Fisher 2010). This gulf has been
unbridgeable.

It's amusing how Kirkland cites the book by Louise Kuo Habakus and Mary
Holland's book Vaccine Epidemic
<http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2011/02/ethics_and_the_promotion_of_antiv
accine_book.php>,
as evidence of how the anti-vaccine movement still embraces discredited
expositors of the vaccine-autism hypothesis. In any case, it turns out that
Kirkland did a lot of her research attending the 2009 NVIC conference
<http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/crank-conferences-a-parody-of
-science-based-medicine-that-can-suck-in-even-reputable-scientists-and-insti
tutions>
in order to see the "scientific leaders" of the anti-vaccine movement up
close and personal, eschewing Generation Rescue's preferred conference,
Autism One, as being primarily geared at parents and:

Autism One is also known for excluding journalists perceived to be
hostile to the conference's message, while the NVIC event was
explicitly open to the public. My IRB approval does not include any
deceptive presentation, nor would I have been comfortable posing as
a parent of a child with a disability.

I'm starting to like this Anna Kirkland, even though I don't agree with all
her conclusions. She is more or less accurate, however, in describing what
she calls the "typology of vaccine critics." These include what she terms
"activist parents," whom she notices as tending to be "white and middle to
upper income with college degrees." These parents usually have a child with
a disability, these days most frequently autism or a related disorder, and
blame vaccines. The next type of "vaccine critic" (I dislike that term;
Kirkland should call them what they are: Anti-vaccine) is comprised of
allied health professionals with longstanding anti-vaccine views. These
included various "alternative medicine" practitioners, chiropractors,
vaccine "skeptical"
MDs like our old friend Dr. Jay Gordon (whose recent appearance on TV might
be blog fodder soon), and others. Kirkland characterizes them as often
basing their opposition to vaccines in libertarian (or, as I would have
called it, "health freedom") political view and providing "critical funding
and publicity," along with an air of legitimacy:

These professionals share an antiregulatory political agenda that
keeps them in opposition to government regulation of supplements by
the U.S. Food and Drug Administration or to heath care reforms like
the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or the creation of
registries and tracking of vaccination rates. The libertarian
physicians are opposed to electronic medical records, for example,
and no one who shares their perspective would support participation
in the public health surveillance that would help to monitor
postlicensure safety of vaccines and drugs (e.g., a national vaccine
registry). Members of this group hold the most extreme views, such
as denying that HIV causes AIDS (Null 2001), so managing the balance
between pleasing them and keeping their views from hurting wider
credibility is a big challenge.

The AAPS is an organization that fits this description almost perfectly
<http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2009/02/the_journal_of_american_physician
s_and_s.php>.
It embraces many forms of denialism, including vaccine denialism,
anthropogenic global warming denialism, and the unsupported claim that
abortions cause breast cancer. No wonder it embraced Andrew Wakefield.

Tbe remaining categories include donors, "researchers" (quotation marks
mine; I wouldn't have called the likes of Mark and David Geier "researchers"
by any stretch of the imagination), and journalists, bloggers, and other
media producers. Many familiar characters are discussed, such as the
aforementioned Geiers, David Kirby, Arianna Huffington and her stable of
Huffington Post anti-vaccine bloggers and quacks who have turned HuffPo into
such a wretched hive of scum and quackery, and the like. She does at least
note that the anti-vaccine movement's "researchers" tend to publish in
non-peer-reviewed journals of very low repute.

Putting it all together, Kirkland proposes three different competing
underpinnings of anti-vaccinationism. These include "holistic health
ontology." This is, of course, no surprise to anyone who's been following
the anti-vaccine movement as long as I have:

On this view, diseases of the past were actually defeated by
sanitation, homeopathy, and nutrition, not vaccines. Attributing
their vanquishing to vaccines is part of the orthodoxy of mainstream
medicine. The foundational disagreement is whether the germ theory
of disease is central to medicine (for a book- length treatment, see
Baker 1994, Appleton 2002, and Trebing 2004). As Palevsky (2009) put
it in his conference address: "So, in our conventional teaching,
there's this germ theory. And the theory is that microorganisms are
the cause of many diseases. . . . Might I say that this is just a
theory. Germs may play a role in children getting sick, but they may
not be the reason that children get sick."

Germ theory denialism, anyone?

Then, of course, there is the libertarian "health freedom" perspective:

The vaccine-critical movement is quintessentially neoliberal,
blending holistic self-care with the elevation of the individual and
the private family over collective goods. Maternal management of
every possible risk to her own children becomes paramount (Kaufman
2010).

It has been said that anti-vaccine activists are in essence selfish in that
arguments involving social responsibility and herd immunity fall on deaf
ears when directed at them. Remember my discussion of how alternative
medicine produces the "illusion of control
<http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2011/10/alternative_medicine_the_illusion
_of_con.php>."
The anti-vaccine movement is a perfect example. Many of these parents seem
to think that they can prevent all diseases through giving their children
the right diet and the right lifestyle. If necessary, they choose when to
infect their children ("pox parties") in order to give them "natural
immunity" (as opposed to vaccine-based immunity, which they reject as
"unnatural"). They also take umbrage when it is pointed out that their
unvaccinated children are potential pools for vaccine-preventable diseases
to spread, an assumption seemingly based on their tendency to all-or-nothing
thinking. To their way of thinking, if vaccines are 100% effective, then the
vaccinated have nothing to fear from the unvaccinated. Would that were true!

Where Kirkland stumbles is in characterizing the last underpinning of the
anti-vaccine movement as the "vaccine safety perspective" because, if you
really take a close look at claims that, "I'm not 'anti-vaccine, I'm
pro-safe vaccine" or claims of being a "vaccine safety advocate,"
you will inevitably find that this is just a smokescreen for anti-vaccine
views. Kirkland appears not to understand this and actually takes "pro-safe
vaccine" wing of the anti-vaccine movement at their word. Even though she
correctly identifies why a randomized "vaccinated versus unvaccinated" study
would be inherently unethical, she fails to realize that all these calls for
studying "vaccinated versus unvaccinated" populations are in reality both a
fishing expedition and a delaying action. She quotes Vicky Debold saying,
"We ask that the government begin to fund research that evaluates the effect
of vaccination, against no vaccines at all, on biomarkers of immunity,
biomarkers for metabolic dysfunction, neuro-developmental outcomes,
including autism, immune-mediated illnesses of all sorts, autoimmunity,
allergies, asthma, epilepsy, intellectual and learning disabilities, all the
things that we know are epidemic in our children. We ask for all of that."
Unfortunately, she doesn't realize that for a study to be ethical it is also
necessary that there be preclinical and epidemiological data supporting the
need for such a study, and there just isn't any such compelling data
suggesting that all these biomarker studies would be fruitful or likely to
find anything of value, particularly given that there are already plenty of
studies failing to find any links between vaccines and autism, learning
disabilities, asthma, and adverse neurodevelopmental outcomes. Similarly,
Kirkland doesn't seem to understand that the purpose of calling for studies
looking for subgroups that are "hypersusceptible" to vaccine injury serves a
similar purpose.
They function to create doubt where scientifically there is little or no
doubt. They serve to provide the illusion that there is a scientific
question remaining.

In fact, these studies are nothing more than moving the goalposts. When
studies failed to find a relationship between thimerosal in vaccines and
autism, anti-vaccinationists started invoking the "toxin gambit
<http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2011/10/the_toxin_gambit_on_steroids.php>
"
in which they point to every single scary-sounding chemical in vaccines and
claim that they have to be studied for safety. Or another good example is
how after studies failed to link vaccines to autism anti-vaccine activists
pivoted effortlessly to claim that it was "too many too soon" that were
"overwhelming" the immune system as a rationale for delaying vaccines. No
matter what scientific studies come out failing to support the anti-vaccine
hypothesis /du jour/, anti-vaccine activists always--always--find a way to
shift the goalposts to a new hypothesis. These are not legitimate "vaccine
safety" activists. In fact, I highly doubt that such a creature exists, at
least not affiliated with organizations like the NVIC or SafeMinds.
Moreover, there is always one characteristic in all of the hypotheses of
autism causation that these groups propose. Like the "fixed point in time"
in the last couple of seasons of Doctor Who, the fixed point in time and
space in the anti-vaccine universe is that, whatever reason for autism
causation anti-vaccinationists think of, vaccines will always somehow be
involved as a cause. Always. Because to them, it'a always about the
vaccines.

None of this stops Kirkland from ending with a plea:

There will no doubt continue to be a vaccine-critical movement
composed of all the parts described here, but it will be interesting
to see how different components manage this new context of
diminished scientific resonance for the claims of the last decade.
One view of the role of advocacy groups in democratic government is
that they play a critical role in keeping important items on the
agenda, synthesizing information for the general public, and
promoting accountability. Vaccine safety is a critically important
public concern, but I fear we have not been well served by leading
groups who currently own the issue. My hope is that vaccine safety
advocates will reorient themselves toward critical yet epistemically
responsible collaboration with vaccine policy makers. Unfortunately,
that route looks increasingly difficult because of the alliances
that have held the movement as a whole together.

"We have not been well-served" by SafeMinds and the NVIC? Ya think?

To be fair, we all hope that vaccine safety advocates, if there are any left
affiliated with the anti-vaccine movement, will dissociate themselves from
the cranks and become a force for science-based vaccine policy. I'm just not
going to hold my breath waiting. Kirkland gets a lot right in her post.
Unfortunately, she falls into the same trap that a lot of people naive to
the movement tend to fall into, namely the trap of not realizing that the
anti-vaccine movement is an anti-science movement that promotes
pseudoscience and is unrelentingly opposed to vaccines. People dedicated to
actual science don't associate themselves with the anti-vaccine movement;
hence, these fantastical "reasonable"
activists who are "pro-vaccine safety" are not to be found in or associated
with groups like SafeMinds, the NVIC, or Generation Rescue.
Such people might have existed at one time (indeed, Barbara Loe Fisher
probably originally fit the description of a "vaccine safety advocate"
back in the 1980s when she got started but long ago devolved into
anti-vaccine crankery), but in the anti-vaccine movement of the last decade
or so? Not so much. It's a shame Kirkland apparently didn't realize that,
but on the other hand she did an excellent job of pointing out how
marginalized the anti-vaccine movement has become. It's rapidly on its way
to joining creationists far out on the fringe.

Of course, perhaps it only seems that she falls into this trap because you
can't explicitly call a crank a crank in academic literature. Let's hope so.
In the meantime, the anti-vaccine movement, having had the last shred of its
already underwhelming scientific credibility reduced to nothing, is
descending further and further into denialism and pseudoscience.

_/REFERENCE/_:

Kirkland, A. (2011). The Legitimacy of Vaccine Critics: What Is Left after
the Autism Hypothesis? Journal of Health Politics, Policy and Law
DOI: 10.1215/03616878-1496020 <http://dx.doi.org/10.1215/03616878-1496020>

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2011/10/whither_the_anti-vaccine_movement.
php

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10.1.

Re: Punya anak laki?

Posted by: "feby eboy" fetriplef@gmail.com

Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:03 pm (PDT)



Dulu sy jg mikir sm kyk mbak.. Tp pikiran sy berubah waktu oma sy cerita,
oma sy pny anak 9, opa sy pns dan termasuk yg sngat jujur. Oma bilang dia
gak prn kepikiran anak2nya bisa sekolah smua. Tp kok knyataannya semua
skolah jd sarjana bahkan ada yg jadi dokter. Jd orang dulu sm.mikirnya sama
kita, kalo menurut kita murah yah dulu hitungannya mahal. Jadi kalo mnurut
sy, jng takut sm masa dpan anak2 kita.. Tugas kita sekrang adl membekali
mereka dengan iman, ilmu, taqwa dan moral yg baik. Sy yakin kalo itu smua
sudah ada masa dpan kyk apapun negara ini.. Mereka bisa hadapin.. Maaf jd
kepanjangan..

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10.2.

Re: Punya anak laki?

Posted by: "Bong Mi Yun" bongmiyun@gmail.com   bongmiyun

Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:08 pm (PDT)



Buat yang susah punya anak seperti saya (10 thn baru punya anak setelah
sebelumnya 3x keguguran), dikasih kepercayaan sama Tuhan aja sangat amat
bersyukur....mana berani minta mau cowok atau mau cewek...

Saya sebenernya pengen anak banyak, tapi rasanya umur sudah ngga
memungkinkan, paling maksimal klo Tuhan berkenan 1 lagi (mau cowok atau
cewek diterima dengan amat senang hati)....

Duluuuuu sekali waktu belum menikah dan mengalami keguguran, dalam hati
kecil pengen banget anak cewek krn pertimbangan saya anak cewek bisa
didandanin lucu-lucu...hehehe....

Sekarang, saya sependapat sama mba Ria, klo pengen anak cewek saya bisa
adopsi....banyak diluar sana anak2 yg kurang beruntung yg bisa kita
adopsi....

Regards,
Mi Yun

10.3.

Re: Punya anak laki?

Posted by: "heidy_jo@yahoo.com" heidy_jo@yahoo.com   heidy_jo

Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:18 pm (PDT)



Wah lucu juga nih.

Suamiku kusuruh adopsi aja biar puas dia punya anak laki. Hahaha.

Enak disaya, enak di dia juga.
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From: tristanathan <tristanathan.amadeo@gmail.com>
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Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 09:43:31
To: <sehat@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: sehat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sehat] Punya anak laki?

ada mbak.. adopsi!
bisa 'pilih' anak laki2, dan gak ngalamin sakitnya saat hamil.

-ria-

2011/10/25 <heidy_jo@yahoo.com>

>
> Makanya kalo ada metoda yg cespleng bakal dpt anak laki saya pengen tau
> banget tuh (belum tentu setuju unt hamil lg sih) tp at least kalau saya
> harus menjalani kehamilan lg minimal resultnya sesuai harapan.
>


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10.4.

Re: Punya anak laki?

Posted by: "i_am_junita@yahoo.com" i_am_junita@yahoo.com   i_am_junita

Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:25 pm (PDT)



Udah coba pake kalender cina nggak? So far sih berhasil. Udah sy coba, temen2 n saudara juga bhasil. Kalau yg mau kalender cina, PM saya. Tp apa pun juga manusia hanya bisa berencana, Allah yg menentukan.
Regards
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10.5.

Re: Punya anak laki?

Posted by: "Putri Suhendro" poet_poetrie@yahoo.com   poet_poetrie

Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:42 pm (PDT)



Mods ..... menuh2in thread ini ya ...... hehehhe

Sewaktu SMA saya punya guru biologi (cewek, cantik bangeds) punya anak 9. Dan pas ngajar saya dia sedang hamil anak yang ke-10. Ke-9 anaknya cewek, begitu juga kemudian anaknya yang ke-10.

Sejak kehamilan anak yang ke-3 beliau sudah menyiasati secara ilmiah agar pembuahannya menghasilkan anak laki2. Jadi dari anak ke-3 s/d ke-10 pembuahannya seluruhnya diupayakan agar menghasilkan janin laki2. Dan ternyata ...... semua gagal dengan sempurna ;-) Entah sampai setelah saya lulus apakah beliau masih mengupayakan memproduksi anak laki2.
Yang saya liat dengan mata kelapa saya sendiri (karena di suatu kesempatan seluruh anaknya pernah diboyong ke sekolah) hampir seluruh putrinya cenderung macho, hehehhehe. Ini nga tau saya, apa ada hubungannya dengan proyek menyiasati pembuahan yang dilakukannya.
Berpulang dari itu saya yakin teramat sangat wujud janin itu murni kehendak Allah, apa pun itu. Manusia memang bisa berikhtiar/berusaha, tapi juga harus siap dengan segala resiko dari upaya2nya itu.

Membesarkan anak laki-laki dan anak perempuan pasti ada bedanya. Mungkin juga ada trik2 khususnya. Tapi apalah artinya anak itu laki-laki ataupun perempuan tho dia semua anak2 kita sendiri yang berhak dicintai secara utuh oleh ortunya.

Kebetulan semua anak saya perempuan (2 orang), padahal saya ini tomboinya setengah mati. Dulu waktu kelahiran anak pertama bahkan sempet antara percaya dan tidak, wow, gwe akhirnya bisa jadi seorang ibu. It's so feminine ;-)

Sekarang yang concern agar saya tambah anak lagi justru orang lain. Mereka selalu mengkaitkan "kapan nambah lagi? kan belom punya anak cowok"

Dalam hati kecil saya selalu tertawa ...... "Taelah ..... kek pabrik aja by request ;-D"
Saya dan suami sudah bahagia luar biaasssaaaaa telah dipercayakan menemani dua gadis kecil. Dan buat kami itu cukup membuat hidup kami menjadi utuh ;-)
Kalo mempertimbangkan tanggung jawab sebagai ortu, bagaiman membesarkan mereka ..... wah, mungkin sebenarnya punya seorang anak pun itu lebih dari cukup buat kami. Yang jadi tolok ukurnya mungkin bahagia dan nyaman.

PUTRI

________________________________
From: Bong Mi Yun <bongmiyun@gmail.com>
To: sehat@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [sehat] Punya anak laki?

Buat yang susah punya anak seperti saya (10 thn baru punya anak setelah
sebelumnya 3x keguguran), dikasih kepercayaan sama Tuhan aja sangat amat
bersyukur....mana berani minta mau cowok atau mau cewek...

Saya sebenernya pengen anak banyak, tapi rasanya umur sudah ngga
memungkinkan, paling maksimal klo Tuhan berkenan 1 lagi (mau cowok atau
cewek diterima dengan amat senang hati)....

Duluuuuu sekali waktu belum menikah dan mengalami keguguran, dalam hati
kecil pengen banget anak cewek krn pertimbangan saya anak cewek bisa
didandanin lucu-lucu...hehehe....

Sekarang, saya sependapat sama mba Ria, klo pengen anak cewek saya bisa
adopsi....banyak diluar sana anak2 yg kurang beruntung yg bisa kita
adopsi....

Regards,
Mi Yun

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10.6.

Re: Punya anak laki?

Posted by: "Elga Soeardi" elgasoeardi@yahoo.com   elgasoeardi

Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:54 pm (PDT)



Maap *sungkem mau ikutan menuh2in thread..abis gemes

Dikeluarga saya, kami ber3 semuanya perempuan dan seru ajah..kalo ibu sya duluuu tiap kali ditanya "ayo nambah 1 lagi biar dpt cowo" ibu pasti jawab dgn ringan..ahh..nanti jg mantu pasti cowo kan?? Qiqiqi

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10.7.

Re: Punya anak laki?

Posted by: "Inta" dini.maesarinta@gmail.com

Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:55 pm (PDT)



Mba Putriiiii,

Setuju sangaaaaat RT 1 Million deh.

Cheers, Inta-emak 2 anak cewek kece ;) maap OOT
@Intamaesarinta
terkirim dari henponkuh

10.8.

Re: Punya anak laki?

Posted by: "heidy_jo@yahoo.com" heidy_jo@yahoo.com   heidy_jo

Mon Oct 24, 2011 9:03 pm (PDT)



Bener banget mom andra cewe cowo buat saya sama aja asalkan 1 aja.

Pikirkan kualitas hidup dan pendidikan untuk tiap anak dan semakin focus ke 1 anak, saya yakin bisa memenuhi kualitas hidup dan pendidikan yg jauh lebih baik kalau hanya 1 anak dibandingkan anak banyak. Berat secara financial soalnya.

But tiap orang punya kondisi yg berbeda jadi kita hargai masing2 pendapat baik yg ga mau punya anak, maunya 1 aja, ataupun yg mau banyak.

Ayooo moms, ada yg punya info gimana buat punya anak laki gaa? Saya mau coba nih, (moga2 sih ga hamil lg) tp kalopun 'kecelakaan' ya at least dapet cowo.

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Subject: Re: [sehat] Punya anak laki?

Mba erika,
Kalo aku pas lg hamil ini wanti2 banget ke suami jgn ngarep punya anak cowok,ya walopun aku tau bgt dalem hatinya dia kepengen anak cowok,walopun misalnya cewek lg ya gak masalah,kasian mba kalo diarep-arep gt.Begitupun sama org lain,misalnya mereka bilang,duuh mudah2an cowok ya,aku lgsg judes dan ngmg ah cewek lg jg gpp yg penting sehat kok.
Kita emg wajib usaha,tp ya mmg semuanya berpulang sama yg punya kehidupan kan :).
Tetap semangat ya,mba...
Maaf kalo gak bantu


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11a.

Re: FW: [sehat] tanya : perlukah campak n polio di PIN posyandu?

Posted by: "taufik siswanto" mygroupslist@gmail.com   siswantotaufik

Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:05 pm (PDT)



bos RIZKY,
anda ngirim email apa ya ?? banyak tapi ga ada isi nya ….

2011/10/25 <Rizky_P@mersifarma.com>

> **
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sehat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sehat@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> lusy
> fahmi
> Sent: 24 Oktober 2011 11:52
> To: sehat
> Subject: [sehat] tanya : perlukah campak n polio di PIN posyandu?
>
> Salam,
> anak saya 35bl dan si kembar 11bl. sudah dapat polio lengkap dan
> campak,..apakah msh perlu lagi ikut PIN ? mengingat kader posyandu n bidan
> di perum kami aktif sekali menyuruh untuk diulang polio n campaknya,..trus
> apakah boleh campak n polio digabung? bukankah sama2 vaksin hidup?CMIIW
> ya..
>
> kemaren saya sempat menolak dg alasan anak3 saya sudah lengkap vaksinna but
> sempat dipaksa gt..
>
> mohon sharenya.
> trims.
> lusy, umi nabil, hakim n adil
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ------------------------------------
>
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> FAMILY FUN DAY MILIS SEHAT 2011.
>
> Terima kasih & penghargaan sedalam-dalamnya kepada : HBTLaw, PT.Intiland,
> dan PT. Permata Bank Tbk. yang telah dan konsisten mensponsori program
> kami,
> PESAT (Program Edukasi Kesehatan Anak Untuk Orang Tua)."
>
> "Milis SEHAT didukung oleh : CBN Net Internet Access &Website.
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> SEHAT 2011.
>
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> who have consistently sponsored our program, PESAT (Program Edukasi
> Kesehatan Anak Untuk Orang Tua)."
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12a.

Re: (ask) Imunisasi campak telat...

Posted by: "t45ya_w@yahoo.com" t45ya_w@yahoo.com   t45ya_w

Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:14 pm (PDT)



Pak Rizky, maaf, email anda mengganggu sekali

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Subject: FW: [sehat] Re: (ask) Imunisasi campak telat...



-----Original Message-----
From: sehat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sehat@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Nanda P. Suprihatno
Sent: 23 Oktober 2011 6:00
To: sehat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sehat] Re: (ask) Imunisasi campak telat...

halo SP semua...Maaf saya mau tanya sedikit.. anak saya juga terlewat
jadwal imunisasi campaknya..akhirnya kmrn ke dsa untuk diimunisasi,, krn
usianya sdh hampir 1th... (tgl 30 okt 2011 pas 1th) dokternya menyarankan
utk langsung di MMR saja.. kecepatan gak ya kira2.?

terima kasih sebelumnya..


Nanda





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dan PT. Permata Bank Tbk. yang telah dan konsisten mensponsori program kami,
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SEHAT 2011.

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Kesehatan Anak Untuk Orang Tua)."
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13.

Re: emailnya pak Rizky

Posted by: "wening2007@yahoo.co.id" wening2007@yahoo.co.id   wening2007

Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:16 pm (PDT)



Iyah...knp kirim banyak email kosong?? Ada apa ini??

SOL
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14a.

Re: Cara Aman Dan Ampuh Menghilangkan Lendir / Dahak

Posted by: "umialiyah_dzatil@yahoo.co.id" umialiyah_dzatil@yahoo.co.id   umialiyah_dzatil

Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:21 pm (PDT)



Rizky_P@mersifarma.com

=» pak imel-nya menuhin inbox neech....


Atun
Cape dech nyapunya

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15a.

Pak Reski Tolong Eamialnya Di Perbaiki

Posted by: "/ghz" ghozan10032005@gmail.com

Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:24 pm (PDT)



dear all

mohon maaf atas ketidak nyamannnya.

sampeyan ikut email pakai account yg mana?
saya cek kok banyak banget?

sementara account atas nama reski saya moderasi demi kenyamanan bersama.

tolong di cek email kantor sampeyan, mungkin bermasalah dengan mail
server di kantor sampeyan pak.

terima kasih

salam
a/n moderators

16a.

Re: Mohon info/link tentang malaria

Posted by: "agnes.ernaa@gmail.com" agnes.ernaa@gmail.com

Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:45 pm (PDT)



Silakan utk bahan bacaan

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/malaria/DS00475

Smoga hanya CC biasa ya......

Maaf ga bs bantu byk

---
BR,
-agnes esti-

17a.

Re: asip mencair

Posted by: "leny kurnia sari" leny1804@yahoo.com   leny1804

Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:51 pm (PDT)



Maaf cuma mo nanya id Rizky_P@mersifarma.com ini siapa ya?? Kok imelnya begini mulu??
 

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Iya


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Rizky_P@mersifarma.com kok memforward semua email sih

Posted by: "rika.corner@gmail.com" rika.corner@gmail.com   rika_elfira

Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:54 pm (PDT)



Member ini Rizky_P@mersifarma.com kok memforward semua email sih?jd bulky (u_u)

Atau yahoogroups nya lg error?

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